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Scaling Hardware and Building for the Physical World | SFCW 2024
Apr 25, 2024
At SF Climate Week 2024, Gigascale Founding Partner Mike “Schrep” Schroepfer sat down with Matt Rogers, cofounder of Mill and Nest, to discuss what it really takes to scale hardware. The two engineers unpacked the realities of designing physical things to endure daily use, how to drive customer adoption, and why impact is enabled by better economics.
Conversation Highlights
- Better Products Win: Rogers notes that impact follows when products outperform incumbents on fundamentals: quality, convenience, and cost. “Customers don’t buy virtue,” he says. “They buy what works.” The same principle guided Nest’s success and now drives Mill’s home food-recycling system, which keeps food waste out of landfills while delivering a better user experience.
- Building and Testing in the Physical World: From toddler stress tests to packaging that survives 300 Gs of force, Rogers details the unglamorous realities of physical engineering. Building systems that endure daily life means balancing creativity, reliability, and manufacturability. At Climate Week NYC, we explored how similar engineering mindset to hyperscaling clean energy.
- Getting Specific About Problems: Rogers emphasizes the importance of defining whether you’re improving an existing system or building a new one entirely. He encourages founders to understand the boundaries of their intervention and to deeply investigate what’s worth rebuilding from scratch versus what’s best optimized.
Key Takeaways
- The next wave of innovation lies in the physical economy, where atoms meet systems. Schrep expands on this in Masters of Scale: The Multi-Trillion-Dollar Opportunity.
- The best products win because they’re better and cheaper, not because they’re “green.”
- Reliability, manufacturability, and systems integration define success at scale.
- Building physical systems is slower than software, but comes with greater moats.